National Defense Authorization Act (NDDA) – US Senate wants the entire USA to be a “battleground”

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In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S. Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America and will turn USA into a battleground.

Text: Mike Adams | Also watch this video: The US Constitution is gone 

The National Defense Authorization Act is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans “if we want it to.”

Bill Summary & Status, 112th Congress (2011 – 2012) | S.1867 | Latest Title: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 | Sponsor: Sen Levin, Carl [MI] (introduced 11/15/2011) | Related Bills: H.R.1540 | Latest Major Action: 12/1/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. | Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay. 93 – 7. | Record Vote Number: 218. | Latest Action: 12/1/2011 National Defense Authorization Act | Amendment details


This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a “battleground” upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.

Even WIRED magazine was outraged at this bill, reporting:

Senate Wants the Military to Lock You Up Without Trial
…the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.” Source

The passage of this law is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the “legitimate assassination” of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!

If you have not yet woken up to the reality of the police state we’ve been warning you about, I hope you realize we are fast running out of time. Once this becomes law, you have no rights whatsoever in America — no due process, no First Amendment speech rights, no right to remain silent, nothing.

Text: Mike Adams

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N. Groeneveld
N. Groeneveld
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28 januari 2012 kl 19:46

“US Senate wants the entire USA to be a battleground”

The entire USA is already a battleground, as the United States Northern Command (NorthCom) has the American homeland as theatre of operations. NorthCom was established a new military command early 2002, half a year after the events of September 11th, 2001 :

U.S. Northern Command
http://www.northcom.mil/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Northern_Command

The Pentagon Strategy for Homeland Defense and Civil Support gives some more background on their tasks :

Pentagon Strategy for Homeland Defense and Civil Support
http://www.defense.gov/news/jun2005/d20050630homeland.pdf

“Fear. Mongering.”

No, rather a naive article.

Carlos1225
Carlos1225
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19 december 2011 kl 13:25

None of us true Americans[of both north and south] can allow this, nor can Chinese or Russian or any other country founded upon the ideals of rebels and revolutionaries. This is exactly what the monarchies of Europe attempted to do to America so many years ago, and guess what? We won! I shall leave you all with this lone quote…

“They may come for our blood, BUT THEY SHALL DROWN IN THEIR OWN!
OURAAHHH!”

Mchangalot
Mchangalot
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17 december 2011 kl 02:01

again, not to add even more pointless babel, but i may have said something earlier on, i cant find it now, about military soldiers actually doing this.
Firstly, i am proud in many (not all) ways our American military serves. I am also glad service members are discussing this as well.
secondly what i said earlier may have been misinterpreted, what i meant to say is that it is possible, for a selected group of FBI or CIA or any of those other acronyms, who have served in military, to be made into a section of home land security that could do as the article says.
thirdly, i am more than proud and glad that our American service members would not shoot at an American civilian.
and i ask, though beyond unlikely that it seems, that if the president or some general would ask you to shoot American citizens, that you remember that you are our protectors. and you protect the rights of the continuation, the bill of rights, and all bills there in. use your mind, not your gun.

JohnM
JohnM
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16 december 2011 kl 20:30

Wow, I never believed in it but the New World Order theory is sounding more real every day.

Jordan
Jordan
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16 december 2011 kl 06:30

I am in the military. It would be against the Law of Armed Conflict to shoot at any unarmed persons.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Jordan
16 december 2011 kl 06:43

This is true, it hasn’t changed since my days in Desert Shield and Desert Storm or since its inception in 1974 and likely never will. However, the bigger concern is that this bill allows for indefinite detainment without due process. Though morally wrong, this bill could be argued to allow the executive branch (through order of the Commander-in-Chief) to pick up whoever they want and lock them away practically without a paper trail simply by saying that they were suspected of terrorist activities. In essence, immediately terminating all of that persons rights as though they never had any. This is the very same basis used to incarcerate political prisoners in other countries. This bill is the single most horrible thing that Obama has done in office, and has potential of being that for which he is most remembered.

Marc
Marc
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Reply to  Thomas Smith
20 december 2011 kl 16:31

Actually OBAMA didn’t do this. Congress did. Obama had no helping hand in passing this bill whatsoever. Remember, By the system of checks and balances, the judicial and legislative branch can pass their own bill, and the executive can veto it. I don’t think something like this would happen without something bigger going on behind the scenes. You think Obama is scared of retaliation if he does veto it?

Olo Nord
Olo Nord
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11 december 2011 kl 13:54

So what from the fact that I can not even write properly in English? And whoever of you know Polish or Czech or German? Do not judge me on the grammar …

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Olo Nord
11 december 2011 kl 13:57

Well, I may not be fluent. Ale mogę się przez …

Olo Nord
Olo Nord
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11 december 2011 kl 13:51

You know what I think? I think that europe should introduce entry visas for Americans. If you American citizens, you agree to the fact that foreigners so treat your government, then I think you xenophobe. So it think germany during Adolf Hitler’s government, they were stunned by hate and rage and insecurity that they been told, burned and murdered ksążki Jews and other citizens.
I am a Pole, I do not wish your rights in europe arrest me for your army, without a reason. Because you and your government to agree to it.
This is not a war on terror, this is not a holy inquisition. Your government conducts a war with the inhabitants of the earth. This is what your government is doing is sick and is in violation of any rights of free citizenship.
Rejoice that this Act does not apply to U.S. citizens, but I assure you that it will not last long, not perception will be introduced an amendment to this Act, and the justification is the same as always. “NATIONAL SECURITY” A whose specific? If the nation is arrested? …
Have a nice day and more Coca-Cola.

Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter
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10 december 2011 kl 19:48

There is a civil war coming not just in the US but all over the world! Everyone who works to enslave people will regret being alive! Now,everyone who votes in favor of these laws should be executed for treason!

Revenge is on its way!

derien
derien
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10 december 2011 kl 14:02

“If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights” I think they meant tenets! Unless there are somehow people who live in the Bill of Rights.

Cracking One Off In My Pants
Cracking One Off In My Pants
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10 december 2011 kl 09:49

Does Dan Brown know about this?! He ought to secure the novelization rights to this story before David Ickes makes up his own mind about and once again corners the “I <3 Mett Bellamy" market. It would be about a grizzled veteran Starbucks employee who has sex about 89 times a minute, who accidently stumbles upon a cabal of muslim communist space lizards (with their army of were-cyborg rock stars you all thought died aged 27… EXCEPT REALLY THEY DIDN'T DUN DUN DUUUNNNN) hell bent on wotrld domination. He teams up with Rage Against The Machine and Brian Blessed and together they attempt to put a stop to the N.W.O.'s insidious machinations by kicking it in the face and bumming its corpse into a mangled unrecognizable pulp. He could call it 'TRUTH RAPE: The Truthening', a powerful and chilling metaphor for the current political landscape… I'd buy it.

bill
bill
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9 december 2011 kl 16:03

to all those who cite

(B-1)
UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

need to read 1031 first.

meaning of this quoted passage is – “they can but are not required to detain us citizens”

anonymous
anonymous
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9 december 2011 kl 15:12

Just to clarify, I am not in any association with the group “Anonymous”, I just don’t want to be known
The bill that just passed in congress is, in itself, the complete and total annihilation of our constitutional rights, some people in the military MIGHT accept this and comply with it because the military has people in it who just want to do nothing but kill. I know that sounds ignorant but thats my belief. If the 93 voters of that bill who were for it had seen the end of the bill and really thought about, it would have been a whole lot different. All people should stand up and be against this horrible bill. I might be over exaggerating this, but if this happened, ANY military member could kill anybody in America, even a newly born child. This bill gives NO limits what so ever. Anything can be done by the military.

DW
DW
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9 december 2011 kl 06:44
DW
DW
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9 december 2011 kl 05:51

The only way to clean our government is to VOTE first.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  DW
9 december 2011 kl 06:13

And really find out who it is you are voting for beforehand.

Marcus R.
Marcus R.
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9 december 2011 kl 00:30

Okay many of you will probably call me an idiot for even Bringing up a videogame in this board but, seriously, look up information on the game Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Patriots. You will get me once you read the overall situation in it.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Marcus R.
9 december 2011 kl 06:10

Ok, did the research… Not enough info to be sure, but yup, sounds like.

M Nguyen
M Nguyen
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8 december 2011 kl 21:50

In regards to this: Please help voice your mind and sign the petition to hopefully stop this ACT in it’s tracks…

http://www.change.org/petitions/the-president-of-the-united-states-change-wording-to-not-affect-our-bill-of-rights-and-constitutional-rights

azas
azas
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8 december 2011 kl 21:46

@ Faye Marie Constantino: What you fail to see is that elsewhere in the bill they have sneakily snuck in language that declares it CAN apply to American citizens.

And as to “Covered Persons” — further language so vaguely articulated that it could apply to anyone. Anyone SUSPECTED, not proven, to be involved in “terrorist” activities, as determined by the DHS which could mean anything, up for interpretation.

Faye Marie Constantino
Faye Marie Constantino
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8 december 2011 kl 21:27

oh, and a P.S. this specifically applies to a certain group of People, not just anyone: SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States. It’s about people who is captured during hostilities and who attacked or attempted to attack the United States, specifically supporting al-Qaeda etc. Please read some more of this document as it also bans sexual assault on children by the military personnel among other atrocities.

Faye Marie Constantino
Faye Marie Constantino
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8 december 2011 kl 21:19

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112jviacx:e458336: Read the applicable part of the bill, it wasn’t easy to find if you click on the links but here’s the important part: (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Faye Marie Constantino
9 december 2011 kl 06:21

Sorry to tell you this Faye, but all of it is the important part. This bill will be subject to interpretation. And this can easily be argued away with the “covered persons” clause.

iris
iris
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8 december 2011 kl 16:51

We r the frogs in the pot slowly being boiled alive by a simmering flame on the stove…

Brent H
Brent H
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8 december 2011 kl 09:37

Hmm, well well this is a problem wouldn’t you say? I’ve simply given up on this little country of ours but I will say this. I do respect the military but if push comes to shove better be careful might piss off the wrong people (Not me I simply don’t care)… Meh, next Civil War or would you call it the next Revolutionary War? Either way both wars was about freedom and power (Don’t you dare get started on the slave crap) oh well best of luck to you America

Military
Military
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Reply to  Brent H
9 december 2011 kl 04:40

Brent,

Trust me. Military members would not contribute to any such acts. When was the last time you even saw the national guard working in a defense type role in America? The military’s main involvement at home involves aid during disasters. I see more cops out there during these protests in armor than I see guys in camo.

But I do agree with you, a civil war isn’t but years away. The path we are on, it could be sooner. Unless we do a complete 180, the simple lack of cohesion in this country will tear us apart; let alone the debt and poor economy.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Military
9 december 2011 kl 06:28

Military personnel do as they are told by their superiors as long as they do not believe they are going against their post. And at that, sometimes they do as they are told even if they know that it goes against their post. If I had a nickel for every time that an order has been given and followed that violated standing orders, I would be hobnobbing with Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and Oprah.

Rick
Rick
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8 december 2011 kl 06:04

Where in the bill does it says this I’ve read it do t see it. Now I did see it I. The 2007 bill the. It was overturned. But in reality the patriot act and the war on drugs did that anyway.

Kstarcher
Kstarcher
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8 december 2011 kl 05:50

Yep I am so glad my family fought and died for their freedom, to later have it yanked from under them. I might as well pack my family and go back over to Europe were we had originated from. With every president and every rich, retarded, no good, egotistical politian out there, the US is going to hell in a hand basket. Give it another 5-10 years and we wont be any better than third world countries who are in poverty and dying from starvation. In no time other countries will be seeing us on those ” send only $0.50 and day to save a child” ads. I find it funny that when something bad happens in another country (i.e Japan and the carribean) the US is the first to help and send money. But where are the other countries to return the favor to us when it happens, no one was there to help us when 9/11 happened I didn’t see or hear about other countries coming to our aid or sending us money, so why the hell should we help other countries. When we (the US) needs it more. Charity starts at home, before helping everyone else we need to help ourselves first. We need to stand together and hold our ground against the Senate, House of Rep., Congress and the President himself and say ” Stop F*&$king up our country!” what they are doing isn’t helping anyone but themselves. How are we benifiting from having our writes taken from us. They are already limiting our freedom to speech and religion and they are trying to take away the right to petition the goverment and to assemble. Soon it’ll be taking away the Freedom to press and to bear arms. The goverment has completely gone away with the 10th Amendment which states “Limits the powers of the federal government to those delegated to it by the Constitution”. But no matter how much we complain and hate the goverment there’s nothing that we can do except to sit back and watch the S**t hit the fan, or move out of the country and come reclaime it again for ourselves in a few hundred years after the goverment has fallen and the people have to live off the earth once more.

Bravo
Bravo
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Reply to  Kstarcher
8 december 2011 kl 08:38

Bravo! I agree completely. Charity starts at home. There are so many people worried about providing aid to others and our poor neighbors down south in need. WE ARE IN NEED! We can’t help others unless we help ourselves! I am all for giving aid and helping people out, but you are right….we need to stop for a moment, catch our bearings, and start producing again before we can rush to everyone’s aid. You are also right on about never getting help from others. We were the first to offer help to Japan after the disaster; who ever offered us aid after 9/11? How many of our allies refused to help us catch Bin Laden? It seems everyone else puts on a smile and makes promises of helping each other out but never follows through. America needs to get that message too. As far as our politicians go that are running America into the ground, we also have some select people who are just to blame. There are so many collecting free checks and at the same time asking for more. They are the same ones who protest the border patrol. They receive other’s money and then want them to give out their money to people who aren’t even registered. We lose BILLIONS a year in income taxes from under the table illegal workers. They also take millions of jobs from those who are on unemployment. With the only argument, “we do the jobs they don’t like.” Not so….job placement agencies could easily fill those positions and if someone on unemployment were to say, “No. I don’t want to do that.” Then the reply is, “Ok. That is just fine. But there is a job available that you have turned down. Your unemployment now ends today. Have a nice day!” It’s as simple as that. We WORK to earn what we receive. I know many have a hard time finding jobs but I have not had many problems. Does it take some more searching than it did a decade ago? You bet. But it is not impossible. And I am the type of person who will be living out of their car before asking for free money from someone else. It’s just too bad not many others feel the same. Those who are collecting, making babies for checks, and using tax dollars are just as much to blame as the… Read more »

ordinary
ordinary
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8 december 2011 kl 04:32

what makes you tards think that they need a bill to lock you up or torture you lmfao what you think your free or something that’s funny we are already slaves and you tarts don’t even know it that’s the greatest part hahahaha

A what?
A what?
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Reply to  ordinary
8 december 2011 kl 08:40

What is a tart?

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  A what?
9 december 2011 kl 06:32

It is like a personal-sized pie. Really tasty with tea.

Oh, btw, that definition was for the benefit of ordinary. I am kinda betting that you actually already knew.

Rebecca
Rebecca
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8 december 2011 kl 03:19

I’m 16 years old in high school and yet I can see things you can’t were suppose to have freedom and rights. Well they’re being taken away by our own people we need to get rid of electoral collages they throw in votes for who they want NOT for who the state picked its about time the heart of America stood up its people not government yes we have check and balance but that only works if we make it. “By the People for the people !” We need new leaders people who we know and can trust. There are so very few of the good ones left. I think Oboma needs to go as well he isn’t helping us,but hurting us. I love our soldiers all of them, but there has to be a limit… Congress passes this bill it will be the death of the nation all hell will break loose fear is a big thing.

Close...
Close...
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Reply to  Rebecca
8 december 2011 kl 07:00

Rebecca,

It’s not that our military has too many people. The military has been down sizing for the last few years. Attrition rates are high as deployments are constant and people are getting tired of seeing their families for 2 months a year.

Many arguments involving DOD is the spending. Spending on the equipment and support that our troops need is very important. But there IS a lot of reckless and unnecessary spending. We can’t completely stop with exploration of new technology (it was the DOD that created the Internet after all) but there are many avenues that we never should have followed, where millions were spent just to have programs die. DOD leadership is at fault for these things and it sickens me. The average US troop gets minimal pay, nothing compared to their civilian counterpart, with little benefits. The way Liberal America is, troops don’t even get the gratitude they once had. Meanwhile, leaders are taking private flights all across the world. Going wherever they feel. Making absurd amounts of money.

My first 4 years in the military netted me an average of $23K a year. I could have very well doubled that working in the civilian world. But it is what we love to do. It’s just sad we now have a terrible reputation and worse leadership. They care little about their personnel and spend more in a quarter than we receive in a year.

I am all for limiting DOD budget. But my only problem is, that I KNOW it will be the hard working troops that hurt the most. Leaders won’t even be touched and they will take away from us to supplement their budgets. It’s not even stipulation, it’s a guarantee. That is why I can’t condone a DOD cut. Because the average troop will take a big hit. It’s one thing to take away extraneous spending but another to take away pay and benefits for those who not only earn them, they desperately NEED them. It’s just too bad our nations power is filled with people who don’t give a shit about their people.

Ben Keen
Ben Keen
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Reply to  Close...
8 december 2011 kl 22:08

American military did not invent the Internet. Just thought I’d let you know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Ben Keen
8 december 2011 kl 22:49

Just thought I would let you know, you are incorrect…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
The web is really just a subset of internet capability using the http protocol…

The internet really was born in the 50’s and 60’s with DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) leading the way. This is LONG before 1989

Ben Keen
Ben Keen
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Reply to  Thomas Smith
8 december 2011 kl 22:58

Sorry, meant to write the Web. Slightly different.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Thomas Smith
8 december 2011 kl 22:59

No prob… Just keepin’ ya honest. 😉

Julian b
Julian b
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7 december 2011 kl 23:35

If you believe this crap. Off yourself.

Mexican?
Mexican?
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Reply to  Julian b
8 december 2011 kl 07:03

And you are exactly America’s problem…..you and everyone like you. You disagree with probably 90% of others opinions, just for the sake of disagreeing. And instead of voicing a justification why with articulate input, you say some stupid shit like that.

Go play in traffic, Juilan B…..iatch

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Julian b
8 december 2011 kl 22:51

I believe this… Possibly because I actually read and pay attention to what my lawmakers are passing in my name.

But, I would much prefer to “Off” you… That should cause a noticeable rise in the overall I.Q. of the planet.

Moses McDoodle
Moses McDoodle
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7 december 2011 kl 22:50

Leave it up to the media to make something sound worse than it is, nothing like this is ever going to happen. The Senate knows if this were to take place, the country would fall apart.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Moses McDoodle
8 december 2011 kl 22:56

Funny thing that…
Democracy dies with a whimper… killed by a million paper cuts.
I used to believe that my government would just randomly listen to my phone calls…Then they did.
I used to believe that my government would never use torture…Then they did.
I used to believe that my government would never use propaganda on its own people…Then they did.

I personally am very afraid of all the things that I believe my government would not do…

Ariana
Ariana
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7 december 2011 kl 18:50

Our rights have long since been taken away, this is them solidifying their power. No matter how we vote on it I can bet that bill will still pass.

Ray Rix
Ray Rix
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7 december 2011 kl 18:19

Much as anything there is a large amount of fear mongering going on however that said it’s still a bad idea. The military is by definition in place to protect the country and it’s government, the police are in place to protect people. Once these lines are blurred providing the military with more authority domestically over it’s own citizens, and no matter what arguments I’ve read the bill does do that, the people then transitively become enemy’s of the state when there is no need for that.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Ray Rix
8 december 2011 kl 23:00

Very well said.

Cracking One Off In My Pants
Cracking One Off In My Pants
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7 december 2011 kl 15:16

I reckon the Space Lizards did it. It says so in the bible… and in the Twilight books (but only people with magic powers can read that bit)

Alis
Alis
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7 december 2011 kl 15:08

Tom,

(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

“Associated forces” and “any person who has committed a belligerent act” or “has directly supported such hosilities in aid of such enemy forces.” Enemy forces are anyone against the US Government. They call us “home grown terrorists” or “domestic terrorists” if we agree with Ron Paul or the Tea Party. Anyone who opposes the government of which they will simply label a “domestic terrorist” at the discression of the President and imprison.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Alis
8 december 2011 kl 23:05

Well, I personally agree that the Tea Party are anti-American and “domestic terrorists”, but they are Americans none-the-less. That said, this bill disgusts me and brings shame to the government and the military.

Tom
Tom
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7 december 2011 kl 08:20

FOR FUCKS SAKE, READ PEOPLE.

SECTION 1032 OF THE BILL:

(B-1)
UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Tom
8 december 2011 kl 23:09

Yes Tom,
We know… But we also read the conflicting (and much broader) definition of covered person. This section that says it does not extend to citizens of the United States is overshadowed and easily argued to be over-ruled by the covered persons clause.

So, in your words… FOR FUCK SAKE, READ PEOPLE.

And it might help just a little to try to think like a lawyer.

Ben
Ben
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7 december 2011 kl 06:05

The rights of the americans are being slowly taken away
American started out as a lamb like beast in character but it slowly
Becoming fully beast. People need to read their bible and live for christ second coming.

God
God
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7 december 2011 kl 04:03

WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW, BEFORE IT SI TOO LATE. THERE ARE MORE OF US AND LESS OF THEM! FUCK THE ILLUMINATI, FUCK N.W.O. FUCK THE GOVERNMENT/HIGHER POWER’ LIES AND CHEATS. FUCK THIS SYSTEM AND WE NEED TO OPEN OUR FUCKING EYES, NOW!

Scorpion
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7 december 2011 kl 02:59

The New World Order is happening, the antichrist is rising to power, though we cannot ID him yet we will be able to very soon.

Jesus is coming soon

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Scorpion
9 december 2011 kl 06:36

If that is true, I really feel sorry for all of those “Christians”.

Pocho
Pocho
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7 december 2011 kl 00:20

The passage of this bill is just a precautionary measure for the upcoming Bluebeam events. If you don’t know what Bluebeam is or how it will change your life, you had better look it up. It is not science fiction. It has been in the planning phase for the last 40 years.

Kelly
Kelly
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6 december 2011 kl 21:59

Anthony Diaz, the “I was just following orders” defense and the tendency for group think to override rational decision making say otherwise. But it’s nice you think you would never do something horrific just because you were told to.

Jacob
Jacob
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6 december 2011 kl 21:11

Before you get the notion that the military will be running rampant through the streets killing everyone, you have to realize that the military is there for “us” every citizen is being protected by the military. Also every member of the military is an American first, these fears are wrongly based and are actually quite humorous to me. I’m not worried about anything and neither should you, if anything this bill is an improvement, you’ll see what I mean in the future.

fuck you
fuck you
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Reply to  Jacob
7 december 2011 kl 08:06

FUCK YOU

The guy above me (not jacob) is an idiot
The guy above me (not jacob) is an idiot
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Reply to  fuck you
8 december 2011 kl 07:15

Fuck you,

You really need to just go play in traffic, run around on a gravel drive way with a gun in your mouth, go OD on drugs, jump off of a tall building, drink poison, and/or many other things to rid us of your presence. Anyone who honestly sits there and giggles to themselves, alone in their mothers basement, writing shit like that on a news board is a god damn loser and should not even breathe.

What do you offer society? I mean really? That is the only bullshit you can come up with? On a thread like this? There are so many political opinions you could voice but instead you write, “Fuck you”. You’re an idiot. You obviously have absolutely no political knowledge what-so-ever and probably have little knowledge about anything else. You are a loser, it is evident by your post. I’m sure you are collecting unemployment or welfare. And if you’re too young, you most likely will. Please do us a favor and rid our society of your filth. You will just leach off of taxpayers money and continue spreading this type of trash like a rampant disease.

To: Fuck you……..FUCK YOU

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  The guy above me (not jacob) is an idiot
9 december 2011 kl 06:45

Wow, much more long-winded, and slightly more eloquent, but apparently just a regurgitation of the comment that you were commenting on… Are you a politician?

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Jacob
9 december 2011 kl 06:42

As I have said before, the military does as they are told. There is great reason to be worried. The idea that you are not says to me that either a) you are not an American, or b) you are ignorant. This is an example of the terrorists winning. Bit by bit America is stopping to be America. We are doing it to ourselves largely by allowing fear to scare us into giving up our rights in the name of being more safe.

ANTHONY DIAZ
ANTHONY DIAZ
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6 december 2011 kl 15:09

I cannot speak for anyone else nor can I tell anyone else what to think but I will say this, I have been in the military for over 18 years. I have done 6 combat tours in the Middle East and Afghanistan combined. I have served with every branch of service in some way shape or form in combat. I have seen my friends die in combat and I have seen my friend kill in combat. I believe I can say without any hesitation that if anyone I served with was asked to execute an American who was not guilty of treason or of killing another American….no one I have ever served with would do it. Do not confuse “your” military for a group of assassins who will simply kill without thought. If anything today’s military thinks twice shoots once.
I believe and this is my personal opinion not the opinion of anyone else. But I believe that this bill will allow the military to become more involved in actively protecting good Americans that want a good life her in the United Stated and are not out to hurt other Americans who believe the wars going on in the Middle East are illegal. Think about how many United States citizens have converted in our country and have actively spoke out in threat to other Americans. These are American citizens not people from other countries. These are your neighbors not someone a 100 miles away. That is the purpose of this law…to target those individuals.

Agreed
Agreed
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Reply to  ANTHONY DIAZ
7 december 2011 kl 05:10

Anthony, I agree with everything in your post and it was well said. Many people are ignorant about the military and act like they are some foreign entity that they never come in contact with. Military members are just like any other person. Depending on where you live, you will pass by some on a daily basis or once every month or two; and have no idea. Because they are no different from any other American. They take family vacations so many of you have probably shared a beach or cruise with them. They live in local neighborhoods. They buy from the same dealerships and grocery stores are you. And just like you, their families are the most important thing in their lives. If America started going crazy and the military was told to start doing some immoral and basically illegal acts, their first thought would be of their families safety and would be by their side protecting them instead of acting out heinous acts. The sad part is that the rules of engagement are more strict for the military in a combat zone than they are for Cops in America. The military only shoots once they are fired upon. A Cop can shoot you at the sight of a weapon, whether that be a gun, knife, or a frying pan that they felt ‘threatened’ by. I wouldn’t hesitate to think local police forces would enforce more of these type actions than the military would. Military members are trained to LOVE America and hate their enemy. Cops are taught to be suspicious of everyone and act aggressive towards them to show power. You see it every day and it is getting worse all of the time. It’s almost like local police forces WANT to be some sort of special tactical Military operator and try their best to be like them. It’s unnecessary and they start making reckless decisions. My biggest fear is of a cop coming into or by my house and shooting my dog, who I love so much, because my dog was running up to him to start licking him. They are itching to shoot all of the time and use harmless dogs as an excuse; like they’re less of a loss than a human. Very seldom is one of those family friends, that cops have shot, threatening to them. Most of the time they are running up… Read more »

Steven Fittro
Steven Fittro
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6 december 2011 kl 07:32

If you are taking this seriously, WITHOUT, looking into, investigating on your own then go back under your rock. With that being said, your rights as an American have slowly been changed and in some cases entirely eliminated. If that surprises you go back under your rock. If President Dumbass Bush did his job when 9/11 happened the Towers would still be standing. How many times do you have to say “all I want to do is fly the plane, not take off or land just fly” before doing something? Also, remember HIS father the first Bush said that we were coming into a New World Order, welcome. We are here and have been here for long time.

Zach
Zach
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6 december 2011 kl 04:16

There is no need to get so upset over this. There is no need to worry. The day that the military starts shooting people is the day that we can start talking like this and fighting back but until then we need to have faith in our government and elect the right people who will revise these laws if there are any flaws to them. We also need to read the actual information instead of getting it from a “news” source.

Outsider
Outsider
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Reply to  Zach
6 december 2011 kl 05:42

You need to wake up fast. Do not have faith in your government, because it is not for the people. It only serves the few in the elite. It is a ruthless machine that cares about money, not the people, sadly.

Guy
Guy
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Reply to  Zach
6 december 2011 kl 11:05

The longer we wait to act the less time we have to make changes the time is now the people need to unite because the government is no longer looking out for their people they’re only looking out for them selves they crave power and power only breeds destruction and fear in those who get in the way of the people who hunger for it, when individuals optain power they are consumed by it power should be controlled by the people as a whole not by 1 man or a group of men who only seek power for there own gain but! Ask yourself what are you to your government? what power do you have over them & power they have over you? Open your mind!

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith
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Reply to  Zach
8 december 2011 kl 23:16

Well, since I disagree with their policies, I apparently could be considered their enemy. Forget that I am an American citizen. Forget that I believe in due process… Actually, don’t forget that. Don’t EVER forget that. Due process (or lack thereof) is EXACTLY why this sickens me.

David
David
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6 december 2011 kl 02:15

“Mostly”, Rick. That’s the key word. Did you read these sections?

Subtitle C—Intelligence Matters
Sec. 921. Expansion of authority for exchanges of mapping, charting, and geo-
detic data to include nongovernmental organizations and aca-
demic institutions.
Sec. 922. Facilities for intelligence collection or special operations activities
abroad.
Sec. 923. Ozone Widget Framework.
Sec. 924. Plan for incorporation of enterprise query and correlation capability
into the Defense Intelligence Information Enterprise.
Subtitle D—Cybersecurity Matters
Sec. 931. Strategy to acquire capabilities to detect previously unknown cyber
attacks.
Sec. 932. Program in support of Department of Defense policy on sustaining
and expanding information sharing.

Rick
Rick
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6 december 2011 kl 00:56

The sad thing here is that barely any of you read the bill. It’s honestly mostly budgeting and the normal military guidelines.

christine
christine
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6 december 2011 kl 00:29

Well, way to go US!! I wonder; does this bill that our “Government” is trying to pass limited to just us “po” folks and old people ??? Or does include even the wealthiest citizens too? Further more, while I am at it; WTFs next? Everybody and Anybody that has any common sense left watch your back, you never know “Who” is doing what now a days.Makes you think that you should watch what you write on the computer or say out loud in public, Ohhhhhhhhhh wait, I am on the computer, that’s right come get me guys. When it comes down to it I have only my father to answer to. In all I’m not shakin’ in my shoes and they will never see me sweat!

idiots, all of you
idiots, all of you
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5 december 2011 kl 23:10

wow – some of you have been hitting the propagandad pipe HARD.

bit of advice for those of you making political rants… If you come across as an illiterate fuck who can’t even be bothered to spell check – no one will take you seriously.

The back-woods thinking some of you are showing is pretty sad.

Joe Vinson
Joe Vinson
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Reply to  idiots, all of you
8 december 2011 kl 17:14

“If you come across as an illiterate fuck who can’t even be bothered to spell check – no one will take you seriously.”
does that count for the propagandad pipe, too?

kyle
kyle
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5 december 2011 kl 23:07

i was judged on my grammer earlier wtf america is that what its all about to judge hope you like being judged in a cell and ass rapped im leaving god help us all

Cryle
Cryle
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Reply to  kyle
6 december 2011 kl 08:21

It’s because you logged on here, Kyle, and began whining about how you can’t pay your bills but weren’t even articulate enough to make any sense. Do you think you are the only one with bills? No one on here complains about bills, it’s a given. Some complain about jobs, others complain about rights; political things. Bills are not politics; they’re responsibilities. Yes the poor economy affects your bills but basically it was like saying, “I looked up at the sky today and it was blue. The sky was blue!” ….Except with terrible grammer

Yes, we know. We ALL know.

But in all seriousness….really learn how to write, man. For an 18 year old….that’s bad.

I do love, however, when you try to sound all moral in the beginning of your post and then show your true immature 18 year old colors when you start talking about ass rape.

Nicely done Cryle

Humberto
Humberto
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5 december 2011 kl 22:50

I hope this wakes you up to the message of Ron Paul. The only real defender of the Constitution.

anon
anon
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5 december 2011 kl 21:25

thats cool come and get me then.

I hate Europe
I hate Europe
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Reply to  anon
6 december 2011 kl 08:13

+1

I am right there with you

Daniel
Daniel
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5 december 2011 kl 21:21

Bullshit. They can have you elect any puppet they want, why would they needs dictatorship? Really, you people fell for the emptiest of promises. “Hope and chane”, come on these are place holders not even complete slogans.

“we need something that signifies hope, you know to convey the people voting for our candidate will bring change”

“eh, what about ‘hope and change’ ”

“don’t be an idiot”

“no aim serious, people have an attention span of a few seconds, they’ve been dumbed down sufficiantly by mass media for this to work. We should try.”

“you know son, you may be on to something…”

Levi
Levi
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5 december 2011 kl 19:30

it’s soooo boring to keep reading how this is Obama’s doing! one really does not have to step back too far to really see the big picture here, and it’s not any one person or any one party doing this. you honestly think that once Obama is out of office, everything will return to freewheeling good times and freedom and jobs for all? anyone that believes that has to be so utterly moronic that they WILL NOT wake up until they themselves are being carted off to a prison during a Republican’s term in office!

it’s really terribly sad… BUT, this is the exact reason that this stuff is happening now and why it will not stop: because there are still a lot of people that are convinced that their side is better! Sadly juvenile perspective!! well, I got news for you: the Controllers are in both parties and NO parties.

Answer
Answer
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Reply to  Levi
6 december 2011 kl 06:37

It’s not that that the current state of America was started by Obama. We started hurting years ago when Clinton send major mfg companies overseas. Then Bush set us up for failure with his wonderful presidency. However, Bush set it up….Obama ran us straight into the ground.

No one argues that as soon as Obama is gone, things will be better. It’s the fact that even after Bush’s shitty job, he has put MORE debt and spent MORE money his first term than Bush did in 2.

As far as jobs go, that should have been Obama’s greatest focus during his presidency. He has not created any jobs for anyone. The final nail in the coffin for me is that he not only hasn’t created jobs, he is trying to hurt the job market even more by selling out our country by promising illegals amnesty all for votes. It’s extremely selfish. Both party’s political news commentators have said, Obama KNOWS he is not a good President for America and is not very popular. Because of this, he is scheming for the Hispanic vote. He is literally selling us out just so he can be president again. Even though he knows, we know, and he knows we know that he is not a good economist nor has any good foreign policies. He passed over the drilling for oil which would have brought in Billions to America and instead tried to push his Go Green trash.

It has been said and might be true, he is one of the US worst presidents ever.