National Defense Authorization Act (NDDA) – US Senate wants the entire USA to be a ”battleground”

Day 14 Occupy Wall Street September 30, 2011
Day 14 Occupy Wall Street September 30, 2011. Foto: David Shankbone. Licens: CC BY 3.0, Wikimedia Commons

In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S. Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America and will turn USA into a battleground.

Text: Mike Adams | Also watch this video: The US Constitution is gone 

The National Defense Authorization Act is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ”if we want it to.”

Bill Summary & Status, 112th Congress (2011 – 2012) | S.1867 | Latest Title: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 | Sponsor: Sen Levin, Carl [MI] (introduced 11/15/2011) | Related Bills: H.R.1540 | Latest Major Action: 12/1/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. | Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay. 93 – 7. | Record Vote Number: 218. | Latest Action: 12/1/2011 National Defense Authorization Act | Amendment details

This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a ”battleground” upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.

Even WIRED magazine was outraged at this bill, reporting:

Senate Wants the Military to Lock You Up Without Trial
…the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.” Source

The passage of this law is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the ”legitimate assassination” of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!

If you have not yet woken up to the reality of the police state we’ve been warning you about, I hope you realize we are fast running out of time. Once this becomes law, you have no rights whatsoever in America — no due process, no First Amendment speech rights, no right to remain silent, nothing.

Text: Mike Adams

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    • do yuo mean ”Try it” as in… watch them try to control everyone? I ask because every single time I goto the states it feels so military controlled… police watching everything… It’s just such an odddd feeling.

      I can only imagine with this bill in place… yikes

  1. I love that so many of the people crying about this on here, can’t spell. I hope the military targets you first. Nwo is on its way. Sucks to be you guys.

    • Wow, your comment as a fellow free-mason you put shame upon us. If the NWO strikes and falls like they have all in the past. Maybe just for fun I come after you first – as a symbolic message Et tu, Brute. You sir should be very careful to whom you taunt. You must be an apprentice

  2. FYI: don’t spread knowledge if you can’t deliver your message with speaking/typing properly. Etc. is etc, not ect.

    Secondly, if you don’t have a plan for the possibility of this country imploding, you shouldn’t be on here speaking your mind or trying to inform people. We’re on the brink of our own destruction. Don’t complain or preach about the problem. Find yourself a solution and spread that within your networks and encourage other citizens to educate themselves.

    I’ll be in Canada living in the woods before I’ll fight the U.S. militaries.

    • I have always slowly prepared for a situation like this. I was once down in Oklahoma (place sucks) for a short while. There was an ice storm that knocked out all power for 85 square miles that lasted 9 days. I’m talking no running water, no electricity at all, nowhere to get food because ATM’s were down and so were the grocery stores credit card machines. Many opened up for cash only transactions but change became limited and if you only had a $20 to pay for a case of water, you better get as much as you can because you weren’t getting change. Gas stations were out of service. I had to sleep in 2 pairs of sweats with 2 layers of thermals under 3 blankets. Changing in the morning was a bitch with no light and it was almost futile as I couldn’t even shower to get the stink off. After that I promised myself I would never be so vulnerable. I have grabbed Lanterns (gas and electric), medical supplies, freeze dried food, a Kelly Kettle (check them out!) which allows me to boil water and make it potable, and of course a way to defend my family. Hurricane Katrina showed us that even a natural disaster can bring about a deadly situation between neighbors. I wouldn’t allow my family and I to be looted, killed, or worse. But I do have one email I received to share with you below….The SHTF needs to happen in order for America to rebuild into the great nation it once was. We have ruined ourselves from the inside out and we must purge of the parasites that suck the life out of our country. Those of us that have been here for generations, paying our taxes and stimulating the economy have run dry. We can no longer pay all of these unemployment/welfare bills for others to get free money. Sure they don’t get a lot. But the fact that America has taught people that they don’t even have to work to make money is a sad thing. It has been exploited and now needs to be resolved. No more open doors, close the borders. No more free money, shut it down. I would love to provide for all of Mexico but reality knows we can’t. There are Millions of them here and they are all working under the table jobs. That means our country is losing out of BILLIONS in income taxes. They also put more AMERICANS into unemployment. And if those Americans don’t like the jobs, too bad. Either work and get paid or don’t and sit at home broke. If a job is available, no unemployment.
      WILL USA SURVIVE?The folks who are getting the free stuff, don’t like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

      The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

      Now… The people who are forcing the people to pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

      So… The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

      We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

      Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason? The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

      The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 235 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that In 2012. Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.

      A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

      I’M 100% for PASSING THIS ON!!!

      Let’s take a stand!!!
      Obama: Gone!
      Borders: Closed!
      Language: English only
      Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!
      Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!
      NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!

      We the people are coming
      Only 86% will send this on. Should be 100%. What will you do?
      ”The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money”. — Margaret Thatcher

  3. The limitations under section 1032 only specify that it is not REQUIRED for a ”hostile” US Citizen to be detained by the military. In no way is the military actually being limited, and simply, according to the ideology behind section 1041, the military can detain ANYONE who is considered ”hostile” or who poses a threat to any property under the control of the Secretary of Defense. So basically, the entire effect of the middle pages of this bill is to open up countless loopholes and provide provisions for the military to essentially do whatever the heck they want — as long as it doesn’t contradict their rules of engagement. LOL. That’s military dictatorship at its finest.

    I disagree with the ”mostly likely” hypothesis speculated by ”Somebody who can read for himself”, who says that ”Custody would most likely be given to a civilian police force like the FBI, and they would be tried in a similar manner.” ’Custody’ is problematic even in section 1041.


    Simply, this is how writing bills should work: ORGANIZE THE BILLS STRICTLY BY A SINGLE SUBJECT (ie. all amendments to a specific law should be grouped into one bill) SO THERE IS TRANSPARENCY!!! More bills, more transparency. Logically separate each bill by topic so appropriate wording can be used and any loopholes can be covered through clear and thorough language so that all purposes for a specific bill can be clearly, legibly transparent.

    Right now, all I see is a mishandling of existing laws through superfluous restatements of what those laws should already be covering, which only serves to open up loopholes in the execution of such existing laws. Basically, all it does is open up loopholes for misrepresentation of existing laws. I don’t want loopholes in the US Constitution, so let’s not make this a habit. OK, Senate? Don’t shove the entire 925 pages of this anarchy down our throats. It’s like a public speaker being assaulted with 925 questions at once and expected to answer them all within 1 hour. Go **** off.

  4. America is ignorant. We could give tours of the FEMA camps and people would still believe that the government is using them for good.

  5. The United States Government has declared war on ”The People”. Now the question is are you willing to fight for freedom and liberty? Are you willing to give up your life so that the ones after us can live long and prosper? Do you understand that your life is not as improtant as the well being of this country? IDK about you but I do. I am ready for the fight. Bring it on NWO.

  6. LISTEN!

    I’m generally left leaning.

    I read the bill.

    The sections in question are 1031 and 1032. It took me 45 minutes to rap my head around the density of it but in conclusion it seems that they go out of their way to state that this does not apply to US citizens.

    Does anyone else want to read this too and cite the specific line or lines that are contrary?

    You can find the bill on the Senates website or here is the link.

    • 1031-32 relate to detentions of persons ”covered” by allegations of helping al-Qaeda.
      Except for the non-judicial means of deciding who is ”covered”, everything sounds
      like it only formalizes most existing handling of ”terrorist detainees”.

      1607 is the part that threatens Posse Comitatus, by setting up authorities under which
      the military might operate within the States.

      In 2011 I noticed a trend of used military equipment being granted to municipal county and state
      law enforcement agencies. Armored carriers for SWAT teams etc… I’d like to find where that
      program is going in the next year.

    • Lol stupid ’yo’. Your kind is #1 on my hit list when the country goes to shit and there is no media and jury to back you up. pop pop pop…..

      • Wow, the only thing less classy than your comment is your tag – Richie Rich ? What kind of broken egotism make you feel the need to project your self with such twisted title. You must have be compensating for your 1 inch boner.

  7. I want to know EXACTLY which part of the bill the author is referring to. I have been reading through the bill and I haven’t found anything in there yet that says anything remotely close to what the article is claiming. I have found parts of the bill that state things to the contrary >>

    ”(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States”

    If anyone finds text to the contrary, please share.

    • The trick is the way things are worded. It makes you think it doesn’t apply to citizens, but read closer:

      Sec. 1031 (a): ”Congress affirms that the [existing] authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force … includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons”

      So, (e) saying that, ”Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities,” doesn’t really mean anything, since the section is just affirming an existing authority.

      Now read this:

  8. I also can’t find anything to the contrary in any of the sections called to question. If you can, please share. I must say, this sounds like some misconstrued conspiracy bulls**t and it’s infuriating. To me, it’s rather bold to say the senate passed a bill that ”effectively ends the bill of rights”, but whatever.

  9. I checked the pdf file (both of them) . Did not find the word ”battelground” or ”if we want to” or ”legitimate assassination”. I will assume the author was quoting senators, rather than the bill. If someone can find where exactly in the bill the languauge is located that the author of this article is talking about, please post.

  10. My favorite part of the”enraged” WIRED article is this paragraph ”It would be one thing if the military was clamoring for the authority to become the nation’s jailer. But to the contrary: Defense Secretary Leon Panetta opposes the maneuver. So does CIA Director David Petraeus, who usually commands deference from senators in both parties. Pretty much every security official has lined up against the Senate detention provisions, from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to FBI Director Robert Mueller, who worry that they’ll get in the way of FBI investigations of domestic terrorists. President Obama has promised to veto the bill.”

      • Trust me, the military is never in on any decisions like this. The commanders of each branch are obviously somewhat aware but even they are told what to and what not to do by the SedDef and those above. As far as the ENTIRE military itself, they never know shit until they’re told what to do. As far as I’m concerned, anything like this would cause MANY military members to go AWOL. Do you really think these people would start to take over America through force when their families are at home without their safety? Many members would feel this is an unlawful order and therefore would not abide by it. They would be most concerned for their families safety and that’s where they would be. Trust me, none of this type of shit is ever told to the military. They are just pawns on a chess board. Told what to do by all of the civilians VOTED into office.

  11. (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    That’s all you need to know.

  12. Hasn’t it really always been this way? Atleast it has seemed that way in my life, I’m about 25. The government can break it’s own laws then write new ones, or in this case pretend like they haven’t been breaking there own laws and write a new one. Enjoy the life that you have while you have it! I’m surprised us humans haven’t killed ourselves off already anyways to be honest.

  13. This NEWSVOICE periodical is ran by misinformed idiots. People should not read these articles and take the information as gospel. The intent of the bill is not geared to hurt, injure, or kill Americans. Its an anti-terrorism bill. Come on America. Lets get the information from the source. Please. I’m a military man. We will ”NEVER” assasinate American citizens.

    • I would imagine there are some police officers who would ”NEVER” spray college students with mace, or ”NEVER” beat non violent protestors on the street, and ”NEVER” quiet the american people, whom they are sworn to protect, thus destroying their right to free expression and assembly.

      Whether this is crap or not, you can’t argue that some people are far more comfortable taking orders, no matter how tasteless and inhuman those orders will make them, than standing up for what’s right. It would be so, so easy for this country to become a police state (more so than it already is) because we are all so ignorant and complacent in our ways. We scare easily, and we don’t like to stand alone.

      • Oh please……I would have loved to have been at that demonstration and took a big poop on one of their heads. I know you listened to all of the hyped media coverage of that cop spraying the students but do you actually know the entire story? The day prior, an email was sent out to all students that explained they will NOT gather on school grounds and if they did, they would be forcibly removed by campus PD. And so, obviously, the next day they formed a group and the campus police responded. Once the PD showed up, the students encircled them while chanting. The police as you could see were bunched back to back and told the students to back away from them. They refused and those people sat down. With an angry group of people surrounding them, what were they to do? They honestly should have just started making arrests which wouldn’t have looked as bad as the mace. But either way it’s obvious that they were surrounded as at the end of the video, after the students were sprayed, the crowd starts chanting, ”We will let you leave! We will let you leave!” Do you find that a safe situation? The cops showed up and hundreds of people surrounded them and would not allow them to remove themselves from a potentially dangerous situation. Those whiny kids brought it on themselves and like all criminals I watch on TV just after I watched the camera film them throwing weed out of the window, ”This is a set up! That wasn’t mine!” It’s never anyone’s fault, is it…..

    • Actually, the point of this bill is to reauthorize the funding of the military, not ”anti-terrorism”. They should remove the language from this bill as it has nothing to do with the matter at hand (FUNDING), and roll it in to an anti-terrorism bill to see if it passes (it won’t). Putting it in this particular bill is underhanded because it HAS to pass in some form or another and you can call the people voting against it ”unamerican” or ”freedom haters”.

  14. You wrote that toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ”if we want it to.”

    What section of Bill S.1867 has that language? People can’t/won’t believe this unless we can read it for ourselves. I’ve read through the bill and can’t find the language you’re talking about. However, I will concede that it could have been missed while I was wading through all the finance stuff.

  15. Hey 14-year-old, Americans ARE currently in revolt. It’s called the OCCUPY movement. You are only 14, so it makes sense that you would be naive enough to think that there are no secret arrests, but, seriously, you’re old enough to see that Americans have been out in the streets for months now for a reason. I can only assume you’re being fed propaganda by mom & pop or school if you haven’t used your own intellect and noticed this.

  16. Yeahhh, I’m going to have to go with the people with actual sense. I, myself, have read the bill, have researched the hell out of this bill, and had it explained by a politician who, by the way, isn’t an evil man whatsoever, but actually went to school for.. you know, political science, amazingly! and there is NOTHING that says the rights of the US citizen will in any way be taken away. Before you write some conspiracy bullshit, go back to school, take an English class, and then come back.

    also, at ErinAnn: The library of Congress says otherwise:

    ”Latest Major Action: 12/1/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay. 93 – 7. Record Vote Number: 218. ”

    • Dovakin, what does going back to school to take an English class have to do with understanding Political Science? Also, could you please list your sources. You said a politician explained the bill to you…as far as I’m concerned, he’s made-up. If you want people be find you credible, you should list sources so readers know they are reliable and unbiased (I learned this in College English by the way). Another useful tool would be to avoid attacking opposing views and just list facts, its a logical fallacy, Ad hominem to be exact. (Argument and Reasoning 101).


      • ”(Sec. 1032) Requires U.S. Armed Forces to hold in custody pending disposition a person who was a member or part of al Qaeda or an associated force and participated in planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. Authorizes the Secretary to waive such requirement in the national security interest. Makes such requirement inapplicable to U.S. citizens or U.S. lawful resident aliens. Outlines implementation procedures.”

        Right in the goddamn bill.

  17. i think this is all BS, i’m a neutral side, i believe there is no true news station that does not part on a poltical Party. but this is a fake

  18. I would love to go on for hours on the subject but what good would that do me. All i have to say is, this is America. There is no change. If anything the government is just opening up what they havnt been letting the public openly know. If anything this is probably a sign of a brighter future. I would love to go on on my lifes experiences. But those are gone and in my past. Just because there buckling down and taking control. Dosnt mean any of our rights have been taken away. nough said.

  19. maybe if you Americans didn’t fuck with every other country you wouldn’t have ”terrorists”. one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. I don’t agree with the actions of many so called ”terrorists”. With the exception of 9-11 which was a horrific event none the less, American soil has never been attacked, Yet you can find American footprints in every country in the developing world. Think about it and ask yourself who the real terrorists are. I mean if what this page says is true, than your own government is now treating its loyal citizens like terrorists. The American military has always been a dictatorship, they arrange military coups, stage revolutions and are responsible for the deaths of millions of people around the world, simply for living life in a different manner, or because they are worried that the developing world would become to powerful with all of its resources. Mayb its time American citizens get a taste of what american does all around the world. WAKE UP CALL

    • I think you are just upset that your country sucks. It doesn’t matter which one, it sucks. The only country I have ever been to that I would love to live in is Japan. Yes, I have been to Mexico, Canada, Europe to include: France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Holland, as well as Korea, Thailand, and finally Japan. Thailand is a hell of a place but I wouldn’t live there. I hate Europe. All you pussies do is bitch about America. Your lives are so worthless that you focus on ours every waking moment. I never envy you. And if you are from Canada, I’m not even going to start. Hey ”lay low” NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU!!!! Your shitty comments don’t bother anyone. It just further confirms my claim that foreigners are so meaningless that they focus on America 24/7. If it sucks so bad here, why is it the the #1 country to immigrate to? Why are YOUR countrymen coming here? Face it; you suck and are jealous. Yea America’s boots have been all over the world. We bailed out Europe’s weak nations and saved them from Nazism. Don’t forget that because we don’t. Half of your country probably wouldn’t exist today if it wasn’t for us. Hitler would have began to set up German families to occupy all of your countries and limited the procreation of the local nationals. Be thankful you butt plug. Now go back to your worthless life….

  20. there is nothing in this bill that takes away the rights of the american citizen,read the bill,and if you had any kind of education this bill is very understandable,there is nothing at the end of it that says it takes away the rights of the u.s citizen,read pages from 359 through 390

  21. So i just read Title 10(X) Subtitle D ”Detainee Matters” and it seems to be rather inconsistant… i’m not very well read in law but it sounds to me like while it says one thing in a section and then later in that section it contradicts itself. Well i would like to hear different interpretations of this part of the law.

    • Are you saying shut up because your president (who you voted for stricly because of his race) and his goons, who give you all of your welfare, are being criticised?

      Go pump out more babies to get more money. And then when something doesn’t go your way, just pull the race card. It doesn’t matter if you take money from someone else’s pocket, it’s all about you.

      Those ”racist white men” who ran America decades ago without this type of public had our country prospering. Now it’s all about the minorities and look where we are. We were the richest country in the world and now we are poor.

      Does this not compute with any of you? There is no arguing it. You can’t even say I am ignorant for saying it. IT’S THE TRUTH. Thank you all for ruining this country, my home.

  22. Ok, doing this to American citizens is completely different from doing it to foreigners, and I’m sorry if I sound xenophobic saying it. But quite frankly, America is better than every other country in the world (Although, if shit like this, and the Health Care bill, and our slow slide in to socialism/authoritative communism continues, we won’t be for long).

    The following is for all the commenters making snide comments about America:

    I’m really sorry if your little bitch country is super patriotic, but the long and short of it is we have the capability to turn your little bitch country in to glass.
    And I’m really sorry that the international community thinks that they’re the shit, but America holds together the UN, and NATO, and several of the other defense treaties. Your economies completely depend on ours. If we withdrew from the world, militarily and politically, and especially economically, IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY BAD FOR YOU, DUMBASS!
    In summation, you tell us not to be ”World Police,” yet you are the first people you run crying and bitching to when you need a cop. So, sit there all snug and cozy in your little blanket of Blame-the-US-first warmth. I don’t give a shit. But I want you to think about what happens when America finally gets sick of your crap and we actually withdraw from everywhere.

  23. No way! How could they do this to America?! I thought this was suppose to be the land of Freedom without war! I think the government’s trying to turn this into a Land of No Freedom at all!

  24. If anyone on the side of the author could please post specific parts of this bill that will in any way infringe upon the rights of American citizens that would be very constructive to forming a legitimate debate. Until then, NUU UHHH POOPY HEADS!

  25. I love how everyone thinks this site is real. I’m so glad I’m not a moron like all of you and can laugh at this. Tons of bogus sites driving all the retards crazy. I love it.

  26. Despite what this new bill states, or doesn’t state; or how we choose to interpret it, one thing is true and has been true for the longest time regarding us (US citizens) and our beloved Government: We actually ARE loosing our constitutional rights as Americans.

    It does not matter to me if you choose to believe this, or if you choose not to believe this. I really do not care what your thoughts or opinions are. Truth is truth no matter how much you try to lie about it, cover it up, or sugar coat things. This country is heading straight for a major disaster by those people who we have put into power to do right by us. Greed, power and money are what truly runs all those facets that go on behind that proverbial ”curtain”, and it’s happening will all the world Governments. Not just our own. Some Governments just choose to display their desire for power and control openly (N. Korea, Iran, China, Etc..).

    I feel sad for this country and what it once stood for. I feel disappointment towards my fellow man (not all, but most) because all of this has been caused by us. Instead of working together as a singular species towards a unified common goal, we have instead become a virus unto our own people and planet. We are destroying everything that stands in our path – even if that ”something” happens to be ourselves…

    Probably the worst part however – the very thing that makes me laugh and nauseous, both at the same time – is how an entire species, ”Humanity” (all of us ”humans”)… How we seem to have lost just that… Our HUMANITY.

    • You are absolutely right. The problem with big governments is us citizens lose out freedoms. But here’s the problem. The reason why the government is controlling everything is because of all of the different little minority groups that want EVERYTHING. Obama was voted into office for 2 reasons. 1. because he was black so 99% of black Americans voted for him….great start 2. because he promised many hand outs and also said, ”I will have all troops out of the middle east within 12 months of my inauguration.” What happened a year later? He sent a surge into Afghanistan. Bush sent a ”surge” to Iraq and Obama followed right in his footsteps. I honestly feel like the only reason Obama has any followers left is because of his race. ”He can’t be bad, hes black. Only white people are racist, selfish and corrupt.”

      So now we have people wanting to build Mosques near the 9/11 site…sure. Lengthen the unemployment benefits….sure. Allow millions of illegals who are already receiving under the table wages, thus stealing BILLIONS in income taxes from the US, to have amnesty….sure. Start a socialized health care program….sure. Now the government can tell me where and who I need to see as a doctor. This only benefits the people who aren’t working and receiving, or paying for, their health insurance. I pay for my dental insurance out of pocket. Health insurance isn’t much more. So all of these people want and want and take and take and the government is more than happy to feed them to get votes. It is also increasing their control. It is going to blow up in everyone’s face. Including the hardworking tax payers who have disagreed with every one of these situations. I never voted for Obama in the first run and won’t do so for the second. I KNEW he was going to fuck us up so bad. It honestly scared me how many people were drawn into his BS. Our country is in BAD BAD shape. And those of us who make a living without a free check are hurting the most. Because we have run dry, now the non workers have run dry….and of course NOW it’s a problem. The government is happy though because they have more control than they did 3 years ago.

      Thank you to everyone who wanted money for yourselves and didn’t care whose pockets it came from. All while empowering the government to put them in a situation like this that will only triple within a couple of years. There is a reason some work hard and earn money and others protest while earning minimum wage or government checks. We will collapse soon and have to rebuild. Rebuild back into America decades ago where all of those ”racist white men” who didn’t give handouts to ANYONE had the country prospering.

  27. that’s exactly my point dumb ass, drop the patriotism and wake up. People all around the world suffer because of American policies. I don’t only blame America, I blame all of the countries that plunder other peoples resources and kill for gold. The reason America is the wealthiest country in the world is because of the vast amounts of resources they legally steal from other countries. Most of these terrorist groups and dictators that the US is chasing after were put in power by the US. The CIA trained paramilitaries throughout South and Central America to protect their interests and topple self sustaining socialist governments. Why does the U.S need to intervene in foreign civil conflicts? Protecting Interests, Not the safety of the people. Did you know that during World War 2, Nazis were buying the fuel they used for their fighter planes directly from Americans? Ive said enough im not hear to heckle anybody about their nationality. But your government is not working in your interests or the interests of people around the world. check these out

    • Ok you really need to stop posting here and get back to your own problems. You have just proven how ignorant you are and how you will make up anything to try and bash the US. We don’t care about you!

      But just to explain why you are dumb:
      How does America steal vast amount of resources that other countries are more than happy to sell to us. Set the oil aside for a second. Yes, the oil we are still paying for by the barrel.

      America’s biggest weakness is how we import EVERYTHING. Countries across the world are stimulated dramatically by Americas purchase of their resources. Name a country we just up and walked in and took all of their resources. I’m not even going to argue about oil because that is a totally different argument and we didn’t just walk in and take it. We are still paying a shit load for it.

      America has been involved in many conflicts. Some just and others unjust. Unlike pussy Europe who couldn’t save itself from an army of 5 year old ballerinas. America refused to enter into WWII and it wasn’t until all countries of Europe crumbled to ONE dictator, that we HAD to step in. Otherwise, we were his next stop and by that point he would have been coming full steam. So you can thank us for that.

      The last 2 desert wars we fought in were justified. Kuwait is a funded ally of the US. Sadam invaded their country and began burning THEIR only means of exportation. Without THEIR oil, THEY would be nothing and WE would be nothing. It was a lose-lose. Our hand was forced. Sadam was told not to do it and he did anyway so we came and kicked his arse. We saved ourselves from some serious trouble and Kuwait from being controlled by a madman who would have caused them to go broke after he took their livelihood.

      And how about where we are now. Back in the 80’s Sadam used chemical weapons on his OWN people. Then when we wanted to send inspectors to prove he didn’t have any more, he refused. What were we supposed to think? And one regular morning turned into horror as men supported by Sadam hijacked airplanes and flew them into the sides of some big buildings. Thousands died. You know, the same Osama Bin Laden that years earlier tried to blow up the same buildings with a car bomb. What were we going to do, let him try again? Bush (even though he sucked as a president) played it cool and gave Sadam plenty of time to hand over Bin Laden. He refused to cooperate. We took out the dictator and FINALY, it took too long, took out the mad man Bin Laden. However, no one foresaw the Taliban becoming a guerrilla force that would fight like cowards and jeopardize the whole rebuilding process. They won’t even fight, they just place bombs and run away. Many pretend to be civilians and those who actually are civilians are threatened by them every day. Do you know what would happen if we just walked out of there right now? It would be worse than ever before. The Taliban would punish everyone who they knew had helped or even smiled at NATO forces.

      Now we have Pakistan who basically harbored Bin Laden for who knows how long. They just announced they will fire at any NATO forces conducting operations over their borders. You know, the same borders that NATO forces watch Taliban cross back and forth over on a regular basis.

      So, ”lay low” please refute every one of those reasons we went to war and tell me how you would have solved our problem. Because you are a world leader of a world power, you know what we should have done. So please tell me how a coward Euro would have done things. Given them some cheese and wine?

  28. WILL USA SURVIVE?The folks who are getting the free stuff, don’t like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

    The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

    Now… The people who are forcing the people to pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

    So… The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

    We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

    Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason? The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

    The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 235 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that In 2012. Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.

    A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

    I’M 100% for PASSING THIS ON!!!

    Let’s take a stand!!!
    Obama: Gone!
    Borders: Closed!
    Language: English only
    Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!
    Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!
    NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!

    We the people are coming
    Only 86% will send this on. Should be 100%. What will you do?
    ”The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money”. — Margaret Thatcher

    • Your knowledge is unbalanced. Read my reply to your comment about whether we are in the middle east for oil or not. You silly liberal hypocrite. Are you able to ever do anything besides complain? Or could you use some of that energy to propose a better solution? That is all I ever hear from anyone is complain complain criticize criticize. Am I saying your criticism is unjust? No. But I am tired of the whining. Lets hear proposals. But again, you and the others that bitch about us being there for oil. If you really feel it’s wrong then here is how you can protest it. Stop driving, stop using the water that comes out of your sink that was made clean by the plant running on oil, stop using any product made with plastics because they are made with oil, stop using electricity because the machines making it run on oil, stop buying the food at your local grocery store that was shipped on a truck using oil and also packaged in a factory with machines using oil, again with plastics; throw away your cell phone and tv and stereo and iPod and iPad, don’t sit on any of your fabric furniture because that was made by machines on oil (even the stitching done by electric sewing machines that got their electricity from oil, unless if your wooden furniture was carved by hand then throw it away, make sure even that carved furniture was made with wood that was cut down with a saw that was made by hand and not a chainsaw….that saw must have been forged by hand and sharpened by hand. Your entire life will be over without oil

      You don’t like the US being in the middle east for oil….whether we are or aren’t doesn’t matter. What does matter is how big of a hypocrite you are. Refuse to use any product made with or by a machine that uses oil if you are so moral. Otherwise shut up with that BS argument that we are only in the middle east for oil. Forgetting that their radical beliefs cut off journalists heads and flew airplanes into buildings. Watch the movie ”The Kingdom” with Jamie Fox. That type of shit was real ever before 9/11. I have a friend who was a dentist for one of the American oil companies. The oil workers worked and lived in small towns that were fenced and guarded 24/7. He worked as the towns dentist and loved it every day. He said he would wake up, ride his bike down the road to his clinic and only have to work until 3. Once his twin daughters were born, Islamic radicals started sending decapitated heads to the gate with threatening video tapes. It got to the point where he lined the floors of his attic with bullet proof vests and stashed water and food. Then he decided it wasn’t worth it anymore and left. But I guess killing in the name of god isn’t just something stupid people did in history. Even today, the ”all loving Allah” will reward murder and suicide. Good stuff….. Oh yea, Fuck the US and it’s war on oil. says, DW (Dark Wing Duck)

      • If you think that the US is in the Middle East for the oil you are very much mistaken, and you need to get your head out of your ass. Most American need to actually. Shut your TV and try to find some information. This is why you have the internet….
        I’ll give you candy if you find any info.

        • I hope you weren’t referring to me about thinking we are there for oil.

          I said that is not true. But even if it was….I told them to try living life without it while they complain about us being there for oil. They wouldn’t live.

          But I KNOW we aren’t there for it. Many people forget when a group of people flew airplanes into buildings and killed thousands of people. Remember the news showing neighborhoods across the country with American flags raised in every yard? America had never been closer.

          Then when Bush made his speech, ”On my orders, American forces have begun strikes on the Taliban Regime…..” The US was cheering for days, except for a small group of hippie liberals strung out on weed and LSD who complain about everything the government does. Then a year later, like every American is good for, people got tired of it. America has no dedication anymore. Not for anything. If someone doesn’t like their job, they’ll just quit and go collect unemployment. So now people are just tired of the war. What did they think? It would take a couple weeks?

          Our country is doomed

  29. In subtitle D sec 1032 it does clearly state that in the requirements for military custody are for those individuals that have been found to be planning, abetting, or actively involved with known terrorist activities or organizations can be detained until ”the end of the conflict” with the associated aforementioned groups. This clearly does not give a definite period of time for detaining these people. It also states that citizens and legal aliens are not covered under these rules or stipulations but are covered under already established laws and acts already set forth. So what then is set forth already to deal with us?? and if you are a citizen who is a sympathizer, then on which side of the law do you fall? You don’t automatically lose your citizenship, and who knows how long it would really take to be properly detained if you are involved with a ” conspiracy”? Most of this bill is a proposed budget for the military spending for the next fiscal year. Why then do you need clarification on proper procedures for detaining suspected terrorist activities? It looks like to me just another set up for the infamous red tape that the government can use to achieve what ever ends it feel justified in meting out to whomever they want whenever they want. If you want a budget, then do a budget. If you want to deal with terrorism, then do that. Don’t try and mix the two together as you will only end up giving the terrorists a way out in the long run to eventually come back at us again with even more of an agenda. 8)

  30. what happened to democracy? the PEOPLE having a say? that is what democracy is. WHERE IS AMERICA???? Are we destined for civil war again???? ludicrous

  31. For those of you posting against Americans….Obama IS NOT what the average American wants…..the liberals and idiots of America have chosen him, and he is likely to be re-elected because of the minorities wanting HAND OUTS, NOT A HAND UP… this is NOT who we are…the media and George Soros backing this is the DOWNFALL of America. Don’t judge a book by it’s cover…real Americans are doing their best to keep things on track – despite our government, which DOES NOT reflect the PEOPLE.

    •Number of States won by: Obama:19 McCain: 29•Square miles of land won by: Obama:580,000 McCain: 2,427,000•Population of counties won by: Obama:127million McCain: 143 million•Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1Professor Olson adds: ”In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

    • You have the best post on here. I agree with you 100%. It is now ok to not stand for the National Anthem, the pledge of allegiance has left our schools and if you want more money you don’t have to work harder; you just protest. America is a shit storm all because of the minority groups that called white men racist for the last couple of decades. So we eventually gave them more power than we ever had and look what has happened. Millions of illegals are receiving under the table wages and stealing BILLIONS in income taxes from the US. And now they want amnesty? I don’t want to give them shit. Do it right or get the F out. Imagine what a country like Russia or Korea would do with a problem like this. These people would be locked away for years and never heard from.

      Now the Occupy protests have started. Why? Because all of us earning taxpayers have run dry lining these peoples pockets with free checks and therefore they are running dry. NOW it’s a problem. They take and take and take and never care who it comes from. The top 1% of America pays 35% of our nations income taxes. The bottom 50% pays only 2%. Decades ago America was a happy, friendly, prosperous place. Remember when we were called the Melting Pot? Now it is the, everyone for yourselves pot. If you are NOT white then claim race and get everything you can. Back when those, ”Rich Racist White Men” were running America decades ago, handouts were extremely limited and people worked hard; America prospered.

      All you have to do now is be a minority and get a job someone else is more qualified for but is white, or apply to a college program where the average white male needs a 3.7 GPA to get in and you only have to have a 3.2….Ohio State Dental school fits the bill.

      So don’t work hard, money is free. And don’t be white, you’re racist and disadvantaged. ……I’ll be prepared when the country collapses and I will say, ”I saw this coming years ago.” I won’t go down with it, however. I’m sure of that.

    • Uh, Obama is EXACTLY what the average American wants. Someone who cares about America. We’re tired of the war mongering republicans. Its time to fix HOME.

      • Adam are you serious? Do you even pay attention to anything that happens in America?

        What was Obama’s famous campaign speech? Oh that’s right, ”I will have ALL TROOP withdrawn from the middle east within 12 months of my inauguration.”

        What happened the following year? He followed Bush’s surge into Iraq and sent a surge into Afghanistan. Now tell me if I am wrong but I thought a surge is the exact opposite of withdraw. Silly me, I must be mistaken So the only war mongerer I see is Obama who is only 3 years late on his promise.

        We don’t even need to get started on his socialist health care plan or how he would rather sell out his country to win votes. Oh you mean I can spend BILLIONS of dollars giving amnesty to illegals who are already stealing BILLIONS in under the table, non taxable income? Sure, why not. I mean it’s the ”moral” thing to do, right? So now we can be just as poor as them. Without giving ourselves the chance to recoup and then bring them into a better life. But hey, at least he will get to be president for another term….regardless of who he lies to and hurts.

        Adam, I personally thank you for ruining MY country. I’m sure you will vote for Obama again. The occupy BS and this Bill isn’t half of what will happen in his 2nd term. Just watch. And thanks to people like you, our fate is locked. Good work….bravo

    • @muse and at @true: It is totally TRUE that [muse] is right on, and I second this, too. Tried to elaborate on this by including a couple of points from both sides of the Atlantic and putting things into ”North-Atlantic” perspective — because actually the problems are the same: bureaucrats and the executive alone taking over ALL BRANCHES of government (this is not the idea of Checks and Balances, neither in the U. S. nor in Germany which inherited its post-war constitution from the ”old” U. S. of Liberty). Another reason for me to point to Switzerland and Norway (non-EU countries stemming the tide of European totalitarianism in their very own ways within that little-known counter organization called EFTA

    • Whether or not Senate passes this bill has NOTHING to do with Obama. He either signs or vetos a bill AFTER it goes through Senate and House. While they can override his decision by a separate vote, Obama’s opinion on this bill is not taken into consideration during this due process.

      Furthermore, he has promised to veto it. It’s you Republican assholes that will jump on him for doing so.

      So actually YES, Obama IS the president that the average American needs AND WANTS.

      • What does history class have to do with checks and balances? It’s simple political science. It’s not history because it is a current system.

        BTW…this bill was snuck in the back door just like Obama did with his health care plan. I for one don’t agree with this and this is the biggest mistake the right has made all term.

        I just want a few things: For it to be mandatory to have all American traditions back and English be the only language. By traditions I mean, ”So help me god” ”One nation under god”…stand for the anthem….the pledge is sung in schools….etc. This is America, founded on beliefs that once made us great. Since we have strayed from them, we have become lost. Bring them back. If you don’t want to pay your respect and pledge your allegiance, then get out because you are ungrateful. If I said to my grandmother after she gave me a present for Christmas, ”This is great! But I don’t have to say thank you, it’s my right.” She would spank my ass all the way out the door. Of course I wouldn’t say that though, I know better and could never be that disrespectful to anyone.

        Also, unemployment needs to be lowered to 6 months and eventually to 3. Welfare recipients MUST take drug tests; the more frequent the better. And no amnesty for illegals UNTIL we get ourselves in check. We simply can’t afford to spend billions bringing them in when we are in this shape. They are also keeping millions out of jobs. We can bring them in when we aren’t bankrupt. Until then, sweep them out to give AMERICANS jobs. Those millions of jobs going to AMERICANS will begin to give billions in income tax that we aren’t getting from illegals.

        And I keep hearing, ”They take all of the jobs Americans don’t want to do.” Not true because once those jobs open up, job placement agencies will start filling them in with people on the unemployment lists. And if those people don’t want to do them, then tough shit. No more unemployment for you. You see how all of this adds up to billions and billions and soon to trillions.

        Enough with the catering. Time to start earning your stay folks.

    • Can I come live down there too and start shooting anyone I see hopping the border? That is the last surviving state. We need to fence it in and all earning tax payers move there. The rest of the country can ban guns, give as much unemployment and welfare as they want. Socialize the health care system all you want and legalize all the weed you want. I promise the top 40% of us could give up our jobs, trade positions with people in the bottom 50% (only if they reside in Texas though because that is our new country) and we could make more money than before. All because we will have a flourishing economy while everyone else is recklessly spending and hardly working.

      All kidding aside. I seriously see this country in another civil war. The top 50% will move east and the bottom 50% move west. There is more than just ”no jobs” that attributes to their lower income….A LOT MORE

  32. I also feel sad as a Dutch citizen for your country and what it once stood for. I also feel disappointment towards your fellow man, because all of this has been caused by US-citizens. Instead of working together as a singular species towards a unified common goal, you have instead become a virus unto your own people and our planet. You are destroying everything that stands in your path – even if that ”something” happens to be yourselves. And indeed, a nation of sheep have created a government of wolves.
    We (in Europe) also have countries where the Lie Reigns, especially the eastern-Europe countries and we in The Netherlands have to be aware of the dangers of it, but all nations, most of the time, have the governments they asked for, so deserve. Tell me, what country chose a former filmstar as a governor. This would go beyond my sense of self-respect, if I were an American.
    And let’s be honest: It is the people of the US that created their own unscrupulous government. A nation, that is used to have their lawn mowed, their driveway kept snow free, and their houses kept clean by cheap Mexican men and women. 99 % of the Dutch even’t have a driveway, we keep our homes clean by doing it ourselves. Seems to me a bit like a spoiled and extravagant nation. Is there any country in the world that buys so much cheap Chinese junk around Christmas time? Apart from the fact, that they have forgotten the real essence of Christmas.

    • @Jonathan: if you watched Europe a bit more closely, you’d discover that even ”Western” EEC member states are drifting toward both (1) socialism and (2) totalitarianism. Look at (1) Germany governed by a socialist-educated, Russian-but not-English-speaking housewife from the East, look at Sweden’s repeated violations of human rights (i e Homeschooling, guaranteed in the ECHR and in the UN Charter), the blocking of ”anti-Swedish” action in the ECHR court by one particularly corrupt court official & more. Also note that (2) the ENTIRE ”European Union” is an executive-only event with national Parliaments constantly left redundant and with no real parliament of its own.

      Also realise that it was Slovakia (in the East, of all places) trying to stop the EFSF and that Estonia and are having favourable VAT regimes toward precious Metals. That said, it turns out that EFTA members Switzerland and Norway even provide tax-free gold and silver and also are some of the last places for Liberty on this continent or the entire North Atlantic corner of the world…

      No, we should as well feel sorry for ourselves, aggravated of course by the fact that ”The America” as we knew it, the land of Liberty, due process, limited constitutional government is gone. The Obama administration finalised transforming that country from a bastion of freedom to a place of authorities increasingly terrorising its citizens. That ”former movie star” President you referred to actually did a MUCH BETTER job for the old America of Liberty. Also note, that Iceland currently is run by a flight attendant and a lorry driver — not to mention proud Italy down there…

      For Chinese imports, wake up and realise that this has become Business as Usual everywhere, including Europe, including The Netherlands, Germany or France.

      You might also want to note that your fellow countryman Glen Beck of cares a lot about traditional values including Christmas and Thanksgiving in the U. S. and that there still are residual groups (Christians and conservative Jews) and not-so-religious Libertarians trying to stem those sadder developments: Ron Paul, Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain, Senators Jim deMint (SC), Rand Paul (KY), Mike Lee (NV) to name just a few. Add to this some of the true ENTREPRENEURIAL capitalists like Robert Kiyosaki, Ken Roberts, Peter Schiff, Donald Trump (as opposed to managerial capitalism of the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Nazi-Germany, Socialist Sweden or today’s Enron and Monsanto-Mafia in the U. S.) and you will see that a more differentiated approach will get us a lot further than just a simplistic America vs the ”good countries” opinion.

  33. I’m an American who is sad that we have problems like this. We should be better but our people and out government fight over everything. I have no idea how we can fix this. It seems as though this may be the best that it can get. Out representatives don’t represent us, and there are no good alternatives to the same phony canidates. Something needs to shake us from this cycle.

  34. Attention American public servants:

    From the White House to the local city council, it is the job of public servants to do just that, to serve the American public. Your only job is to protect the rights and property of American citizens and nothing else.

    We do not need you to bailout corporations or foreign countries. We will help who we want without you.

    We do not need you to create a police state in the name of public safety. We can and will protect ourselves.

    We do not need you to create a confusing taxation system that you ignore as you bleed us dry. We will pay for infrastructure and military protection, but not your private islands, jets, and illegal alien servants.

    We do not need you to spend our hard earned money as though the supply were limitless. We need you to spend our tax dollars responsibly and frugally.

    We do not need you to regulate the trivial while ignoring the obvious. We know the difference and we are fed up.

    American politicians, if you cannot do your job ethically and responsibly, we do not need you.


  35. There’s just one thing I want to say to everyone in this thread:

    What if you’re wrong?

    What if you don’t know all there is to know?
    What if you don’t really understand the situations you talk about deeply enough to draw final conclusions?
    What if something else is more true?
    What if your antagonists are right?

    I ask only that you Think About It. If you don’t, that is the path to becoming brainwashed (and you will be convinced that it is the others that are brainwashed.)

  36. For those railing against our President he is the one that has threatened veto of a bill that was co-written by their darling John McCain which is something they are conveniently forgetting.

    • Bush set America up for failure. Obama has run it into the ground. I’m sure your dumbass will vote for him again. This forum will be reality by the end of his second term.

      Thank you for ruining MY country. Voting for Obama again is going to do that.

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